Concerns about the keyboard shortcuts

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    COBI, 28th Apr 2013 11:43 pm

    Am new to HTML-Kit Tools. For the most part, I really like what I'm seeing; there are some GREAT improvements.

    However, I am more than a little concerned about the shift of paradigm with respect to keyboard shortcuts. Creating, editing, and personalizing keyboard shortcuts was such a piece of cake in HTML-Kit 292. In HTML-Kit Tools, it appears to be a monstrous, Byzantine, nightmare.

    Whose idea was the the double key-combo mechanism? Extremely confusing to me. Awkward, and nowhere near as fast.

    Then, when I do a CTRL+Enter to insert a line break, I get this popup menu everytime that forces me to make a selection before it does what I want.

    The Keyboard Shortcut Editor/Manager is even worse!! What is THAT all about? I tried creating my own shortcut for a line break (<br />), but A) it doesn't work, and B) it does something else whenever I try it. So, obviously, I'm trying to overwrite a different keyboard shortcut with mine, and it doesn't want to let me.

    There are a lot of great features I've found in HTML-Kit Tools so far, but I gotta tell you, the whole keyboard shortcut thing is NOT one of them. I might have to go back to 292, I dunno...

    Chuck Beck

    • HTML-Kit Support, 29th Apr 2013 2:49 pm

      On 4/28/2013 11:43 PM, COBI wrote:

      Am new to HTML-Kit Tools. For the most part, I really like what I'm
      seeing; there are some GREAT improvements.

      However, I am more than a little concerned about the shift of
      paradigm with respect to keyboard shortcuts. Creating, editing, and
      personalizing keyboard shortcuts was such a piece of cake in HTML-Kit
      292. In HTML-Kit Tools, it appears to be a monstrous, Byzantine,
      nightmare.

      Whose idea was the the double key-combo mechanism? Extremely
      confusing to me. Awkward, and nowhere near as fast.

      Then, when I do a CTRL+Enter to insert a line break, I get this popup
      menu everytime that forces me to make a selection before it does what
      I want.

      The Keyboard Shortcut Editor/Manager is even worse!! What is THAT all
      about? I tried creating my own shortcut for a line break (<br />),
      but A) it doesn't work, and B) it does something else whenever I try
      it. So, obviously, I'm trying to overwrite a different keyboard
      shortcut with mine, and it doesn't want to let me.

      There are a lot of great features I've found in HTML-Kit Tools so
      far, but I gotta tell you, the whole keyboard shortcut thing is NOT
      one of them. I might have to go back to 292, I dunno...

      Chuck Beck

      Hi Chuck,

      Thank you for your feedback, and yes I do agree with you about the
      keyboard shortcut manger in HTML-Kit Tools. It's more capable and
      flexible in many ways than the one in 292, but it's lacking a
      streamlined graphical interface and not as easy to use. I'm working on
      this and other plugin managers in Tools.

      I redefined Ctrl+Enter for a couple of reasons. The BR tag is being used
      less and replaced by CSS. You can still press Ctrl+Enter and pick BR
      with an arrow down so it's not too far away when you need to insert it.

      There aren't a whole lot of easily accessible key combinations left, so
      letting a good one like Ctrl+Enter do nothing but insert the BR tag
      seemed like a waste to me.

      So, although the new popup for Ctrl+Enter doesn't show very many options
      at the moment, it'll eventually make it easier to get to other functions.

      I'm a keyboard-first coder myself so I know that keyboard shortcuts are
      a sensitive subject :) I hope though that you'll appreciate why I'm
      trying to repurpose Ctrl+Enter.

      Chami

      • bill, 30th Apr 2013 6:09 am

        On 4/29/2013 3:49 PM, HTML-Kit Support wrote:

        On 4/28/2013 11:43 PM, COBI wrote:

        Am new to HTML-Kit Tools. For the most part, I really like what
        I'm
        seeing; there are some GREAT improvements.

        However, I am more than a little concerned about the shift of
        paradigm with respect to keyboard shortcuts. Creating, editing,
        and
        personalizing keyboard shortcuts was such a piece of cake in
        HTML-Kit
        292. In HTML-Kit Tools, it appears to be a monstrous, Byzantine,
        nightmare.

        Whose idea was the the double key-combo mechanism? Extremely
        confusing to me. Awkward, and nowhere near as fast.

        Then, when I do a CTRL+Enter to insert a line break, I get this
        popup
        menu everytime that forces me to make a selection before it
        does what
        I want.

        The Keyboard Shortcut Editor/Manager is even worse!! What is
        THAT all
        about? I tried creating my own shortcut for a line break (<br />),
        but A) it doesn't work, and B) it does something else whenever
        I try
        it. So, obviously, I'm trying to overwrite a different keyboard
        shortcut with mine, and it doesn't want to let me.

        There are a lot of great features I've found in HTML-Kit Tools so
        far, but I gotta tell you, the whole keyboard shortcut thing is
        NOT
        one of them. I might have to go back to 292, I dunno...

        Chuck Beck

        Hi Chuck,

        Thank you for your feedback, and yes I do agree with you about
        the keyboard shortcut manger in HTML-Kit Tools. It's more capable
        and flexible in many ways than the one in 292, but it's lacking a
        streamlined graphical interface and not as easy to use. I'm
        working on this and other plugin managers in Tools.

        I redefined Ctrl+Enter for a couple of reasons. The BR tag is
        being used less and replaced by CSS. You can still press
        Ctrl+Enter and pick BR with an arrow down so it's not too far
        away when you need to insert it.

        There aren't a whole lot of easily accessible key combinations
        left, so letting a good one like Ctrl+Enter do nothing but insert
        the BR tag seemed like a waste to me.

        So, although the new popup for Ctrl+Enter doesn't show very many
        options at the moment, it'll eventually make it easier to get to
        other functions.

        I'm a keyboard-first coder myself so I know that keyboard
        shortcuts are a sensitive subject :) I hope though that you'll
        appreciate why I'm trying to repurpose Ctrl+Enter.

        Chami
        Didn't you talk about being able to configure ctrl-enter back to
        <br /> only ?
        I for one would like that.
        Maybe then ctrl-enter, ctrl-enter would bring up the menu ?

        • HTML-Kit Support, 30th Apr 2013 12:19 pm

          On 4/30/2013 6:09 AM, bill wrote:

          On 4/29/2013 3:49 PM, HTML-Kit Support wrote:

          On 4/28/2013 11:43 PM, COBI wrote:

          Am new to HTML-Kit Tools. For the most part, I really like what
          I'm
          seeing; there are some GREAT improvements.

          However, I am more than a little concerned about the shift of
          paradigm with respect to keyboard shortcuts. Creating, editing,
          and
          personalizing keyboard shortcuts was such a piece of cake in
          HTML-Kit
          292. In HTML-Kit Tools, it appears to be a monstrous, Byzantine,
          nightmare.

          Whose idea was the the double key-combo mechanism? Extremely
          confusing to me. Awkward, and nowhere near as fast.

          Then, when I do a CTRL+Enter to insert a line break, I get this
          popup
          menu everytime that forces me to make a selection before it
          does what
          I want.

          The Keyboard Shortcut Editor/Manager is even worse!! What is
          THAT all
          about? I tried creating my own shortcut for a line break (<br />),
          but A) it doesn't work, and B) it does something else whenever
          I try
          it. So, obviously, I'm trying to overwrite a different keyboard
          shortcut with mine, and it doesn't want to let me.

          There are a lot of great features I've found in HTML-Kit Tools so
          far, but I gotta tell you, the whole keyboard shortcut thing is
          NOT
          one of them. I might have to go back to 292, I dunno...

          Chuck Beck

          Hi Chuck,

          Thank you for your feedback, and yes I do agree with you about
          the keyboard shortcut manger in HTML-Kit Tools. It's more capable
          and flexible in many ways than the one in 292, but it's lacking a
          streamlined graphical interface and not as easy to use. I'm
          working on this and other plugin managers in Tools.

          I redefined Ctrl+Enter for a couple of reasons. The BR tag is
          being used less and replaced by CSS. You can still press
          Ctrl+Enter and pick BR with an arrow down so it's not too far
          away when you need to insert it.

          There aren't a whole lot of easily accessible key combinations
          left, so letting a good one like Ctrl+Enter do nothing but insert
          the BR tag seemed like a waste to me.

          So, although the new popup for Ctrl+Enter doesn't show very many
          options at the moment, it'll eventually make it easier to get to
          other functions.

          I'm a keyboard-first coder myself so I know that keyboard
          shortcuts are a sensitive subject :) I hope though that you'll
          appreciate why I'm trying to repurpose Ctrl+Enter.

          Chami

          Didn't you talk about being able to configure ctrl-enter back to <br />
          only ?
          I for one would like that.
          Maybe then ctrl-enter, ctrl-enter would bring up the menu ?

          Yes, I'll add an option to make Ctrl+Enter go back to directly inserting
          the BR tag.

          I don't think though that Ctrl+Enter, Ctrl+Enter would be very practical
          in the long run. So this option will basically switch between Ctrl+Enter
          directly inserting the BR tag and Ctrl+Enter showing the popup menu
          (which also has an option for inserting BR).

          Chami

          • bill, 1st May 2013 6:08 am

            On 4/30/2013 1:19 PM, HTML-Kit Support wrote:

            On 4/30/2013 6:09 AM, bill wrote:

            On 4/29/2013 3:49 PM, HTML-Kit Support wrote:

            On 4/28/2013 11:43 PM, COBI wrote:

            Am new to HTML-Kit Tools. For the most part, I really like what
            I'm
            seeing; there are some GREAT improvements.

            However, I am more than a little concerned about the shift of
            paradigm with respect to keyboard shortcuts. Creating, editing,
            and
            personalizing keyboard shortcuts was such a piece of cake in
            HTML-Kit
            292. In HTML-Kit Tools, it appears to be a monstrous, Byzantine,
            nightmare.

            Whose idea was the the double key-combo mechanism? Extremely
            confusing to me. Awkward, and nowhere near as fast.

            Then, when I do a CTRL+Enter to insert a line break, I get this
            popup
            menu everytime that forces me to make a selection before it
            does what
            I want.

            The Keyboard Shortcut Editor/Manager is even worse!! What is
            THAT all
            about? I tried creating my own shortcut for a line break (<br
            />),
            but A) it doesn't work, and B) it does something else whenever
            I try
            it. So, obviously, I'm trying to overwrite a different keyboard
            shortcut with mine, and it doesn't want to let me.

            There are a lot of great features I've found in HTML-Kit
            Tools so
            far, but I gotta tell you, the whole keyboard shortcut thing is
            NOT
            one of them. I might have to go back to 292, I dunno...

            Chuck Beck

            Hi Chuck,

            Thank you for your feedback, and yes I do agree with you about
            the keyboard shortcut manger in HTML-Kit Tools. It's more capable
            and flexible in many ways than the one in 292, but it's lacking a
            streamlined graphical interface and not as easy to use. I'm
            working on this and other plugin managers in Tools.

            I redefined Ctrl+Enter for a couple of reasons. The BR tag is
            being used less and replaced by CSS. You can still press
            Ctrl+Enter and pick BR with an arrow down so it's not too far
            away when you need to insert it.

            There aren't a whole lot of easily accessible key combinations
            left, so letting a good one like Ctrl+Enter do nothing but insert
            the BR tag seemed like a waste to me.

            So, although the new popup for Ctrl+Enter doesn't show very many
            options at the moment, it'll eventually make it easier to get to
            other functions.

            I'm a keyboard-first coder myself so I know that keyboard
            shortcuts are a sensitive subject :) I hope though that you'll
            appreciate why I'm trying to repurpose Ctrl+Enter.

            Chami

            Didn't you talk about being able to configure ctrl-enter back
            to <br />
            only ?
            I for one would like that.
            Maybe then ctrl-enter, ctrl-enter would bring up the menu ?

            Yes, I'll add an option to make Ctrl+Enter go back to directly
            inserting the BR tag.

            I don't think though that Ctrl+Enter, Ctrl+Enter would be very
            practical in the long run. So this option will basically switch
            between Ctrl+Enter directly inserting the BR tag and Ctrl+Enter
            showing the popup menu (which also has an option for inserting BR).

            Chami

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